Kozak Talks Podcast
Ми знайомимо вас з українцями, які побудували тут неймовірне життя - підприємцями, професіоналами, громадськими лідерами та відомими українцями.
Їхні подорожі та інсайдерські поради покажуть вам, як боротися з викликами, відкривати можливості та реалізовувати свій потенціал - і все це з повагою до свого українського коріння.
Kozak Talks Podcast
Від української вчительки до британського юриста: Історія стійкості та розширення можливостей
У цьому епізоді ми подорожуємо з Танею, українкою, яка проживає у Великій Британії вже 25 років і зробила свій внесок у юридичну сферу. Її перехід від вчительки до юриста демонструє адаптивність та амбітність української громади. Ми поговоримо про зростаючий вплив українців у британському суспільстві, баланс між роботою та особистим життям, а також про важливість визнання власної цінності.
Приєднуйтесь до нашої дискусії:
* Стійкість та переосмислення: надихаюча подорож Тані з України до британської юридичної професії та її 25-річний шлях до інтеграції в британське суспільство.
* Розширення прав і можливостей українських жінок: історії успіху, викликів та лідерства в контексті Великої Британії.
* Розбудова спільноти: активна українська громада у Великій Британії та її вплив на обидві культури.
* Як поєднувати роботу та особисте життя:** Стратегії підтримки добробуту під час досягнення професійних цілей у складній сфері.
* Оцініть свою цінність:** Навчіться брати за роботу те, чого ви варті, та визнайте свою професійну цінність, особливо як жінки в юридичній сфері.
* Наставництво та підтримка:** Сила спільноти та наставництва у зміні кар'єри та особистісному зростанні.
Незалежно від того, чи ви українка, яка живе у Великій Британії, чи підприємець, чи просто людина, яка переживає життєві зміни, історія Тані пропонує цінну інформацію та підбадьорення.
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Tanya, thank you for coming to the Kozak Talks podcast, a successful Ukrainian who lives in the UK, who is engaged in a legal career here in the UK. You have been living here for more than 23-24 years 25.
Speaker 2:This year I'm 25.
Speaker 1:You're 25, I'm 26. Well, we've been living here for a long time Ukrainians. Tanya, I invited you because you're not only a successful Ukrainian. You have two main topics to tell us First, your life in Ukraine to the UK. Then the UK, how you became a professional in the UK. Also, how you help women. Now you want more of our women who came here, who also live here, who listen to podcasts, watch podcasts or know your content that they also knew could tell more of this conversation. Thank you, thank you, and I am very glad to be here with you in your guesthouse to talk to you at this stage of your wonderful career. Thank you. I agree with you that I believe that I have the right to say and compare Ukrainians who came before and after, not to condemn them, nor those nor others. Never, I don't have such a thing.
Speaker 2:But to pay attention to a certain difference and to help those who were earlier to accept new Ukrainians and those who came now to understand why these previous Ukrainians sometimes commented with anger, sometimes with negative emotions, or warned not to do this. The thing is that all the Ukrainians who came here before the war wanted to come here. They planned their immigration, history, their road, and they had certain costs to come here Because they understood that there was no such thing. You came and you already get everything here In Ukraine. It was stable, political. When I say stable, it's like my husband says you have such a tradition Every five years you go to Maiden, you throw out the one who was elected five years ago. Unfortunately, there is nothing to say in response. I say but we can. He says yes, I understand. That is.
Speaker 2:Those who came knew what they were coming for and knew where to go. Those who came after the war did not choose to go. They had a certain career, a certain path, a certain lifestyle. Children, 27 circles at school were doing their thing. Everyone was at their own pace. Yes, they went. They were tired of something political, economic, but a lot of people were successful there. When they came here, it was a shock because it was not chosen. Someone came without a penny, someone came without a husband, someone came understood, cannot breathe here, went back, and so on. And so this huge difference of wanting and not choosing to come this must be understood and remembered. Next, all those who came earlier and already went some way. They went to some final result To get a permanent living or to build a career here, and so on.
Speaker 2:Those who came here did not understand the situation for a while because they were afraid. They were watching the news and they did not have any information, neither here nor there. It is a terrible place to have such a thing in your head. Now, after two years, many people have already left. Children went to school, someone has learned the language, someone is looking for a job somewhere. They think about what's next. But again, a large number of people understand that even if the three years that they gave to everyone end, even if they continue their stay in the UK for another 18 months, it will still be the end. Somewhere it will be the end. And the state, the leadership of Great Britain, although they are very much helping Ukraine and openly in the information space and money and there in Ukraine and here supporting Ukrainians.
Speaker 2:But we must not forget that this is support and in the end, many Ukrainians are wanted to return to Ukraine. That is, imagine you have an extra room, your neighbors' house burned down. You let people into that room. You let them eat, drink, you let them wear clean clothes and so on. When the house is rebuilt, you expect these people to leave, but they will not go into your bedroom or your hall and will not live in you. You understand that is to use you.
Speaker 2:Therefore, these Ukrainians who came, they have a plus they were given here live here, here is your Universal Credit here, learn a language here, go to school here, go to universities with a certain discount. But this is temporary, because we love you, we respect you, but we respect you as Ukrainians who will later rebuild and live in Ukraine. Those who now think, oh, I don't want to go to Ukraine, they think in time, because every person is looking for stability, and all those who will now look for alternative immigration options, someone will switch to a work visa, a skilled work visa, because they are already working with someone and already the employers see that this person is being allocated and she is more valuable, perhaps, than those who colleagues, who work and do less than Ukrainians and they are like put them on a bar so they will do twice as much.
Speaker 2:But this does not mean that the road to Ukraine is closed. Everyone who gets a visa and switches will have the opportunity to see how his next steps will help both Great Britain, this person and Ukraine. The world will invest in Ukraine. Ukraine will win and rise and it will be the center of Europe. It's not for us to choose. It is.
Speaker 1:I want to say the same because, as you said, ukrainians will come to Ukraine temporarily For the fact that Britain, and perhaps Europe, gave Ukrainians. I think Ukraine will go to the Euro. I think Ukrainians will be the same as Poles, lithuanians, different nationalities came here to have the opportunity to go as well, because Europe and the UK saw that Ukrainians, workers, people work, not only work but open businesses. How many Ukrainian businesses have opened in two years? I know one Ukrainian opened a business in five months. Well, yes, maybe. I don't know how he opened it. Well, thank God he opened it. And it's not only in England, tanya. They open it all over the world.
Speaker 2:That's why I say that what happened in Ukraine is terrible and it continues. People die every day. Kiev was shelled, but Ukrainians who stayed there, who support, who go to victory, and those Ukrainians who left but still support, I donate, I help Ukrainians. I don't shout about it because I, you understand what you say it doesn't value your help. What you say don't shout about it Because I you understand what you say is not worth your help. What you say is what I helped In my eyes, you understand that is what you said. When the doors are closed, I am clean before God. I know what I am doing, everything is fine, but I agree with you about business. I will never forget when in the Satanic community I live not far from satan I came and helped, talked and one girl comes up to me and says Mrs Tetyana, I wanted to ask you, you have been here for a long time, I want to find a job. How can I find a job? I say when did you come?
Speaker 2:She says yesterday evening Wow so you are already thinking find a job. I say when did you come? She says yesterday evening. Wow, so you're already thinking about a job. This is already to show this is Ukrainians. I can't sit, I need to do something. I need to be useful. I say, well, can they help you? No, I want to be useful what you say. Ukrainians who have left the border have the opportunity to see how it is there, to hear, to see good and bad, to learn to take good care of yourself and to develop there. And when Ukraine wins and it wins because it already wins then it will continue to Ukraine. Ukrainians will not be like Lithuanians and Poles. Ukrainians will be like Ukrainians.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, the second nation, as you said. I agree, Ukrainians must learn a lot of useful information from Europe.
Speaker 2:They already learn.
Speaker 1:And take it to Ukraine and develop it. I think Ukraine has already changed. I think a lot of different laws have changed. I think, as you said before the broadcast, you said about YouTube, Do you watch a lot of YouTube content?
Speaker 2:I watch a lot of content and it's interesting to me and it's quality and it competes and I mean quality not only in one direction Interesting people. A lot of interviews I didn't think I didn't watch many interviews before A, it wasn't. Look at how many interviews I wasn't interested in A and B. When there were interviews people said what they wanted to hear and now people are really opening up to people. When I went to you on air this morning I said I'm a little scared. Why? Because when you go on the platform you open yourself. You open yourself constantly and you need to walk in an armor and be ready for comments. What we talked about before.
Speaker 2:People who did nothing themselves don't feed them bread and say negative things About you, about me, about someone. How much this negative can interfere, hurt one day I don't care. One day it will kill me. And then you go out and say I knew where I was going because I have something to say, because people who hear this somewhere, some grain from what I said, they will take it with them and that grain will then grow. Sometimes they will know what Tanya said then. Sometimes they will not know, but it will come. My sister says there is no mouth in the world. When the world wants to say something, it is necessary for someone to say it. So today I say what is important to hear I do not advertise my services as a lawyer. I do not need it. I have enough clients. I do not say that I don't need clients. I believe that those who come to me for advice, for help, for professional help, are the people who see in me a person, a professional, a personality who I respect and who I respect.
Speaker 1:People love Tanya. I noticed myself. I noticed myself recently. I noticed myself. People consider professionals, specialists in their field. And to be a specialist in this field any lawyer, blogger, podcaster these are people who did not give up many times. But I didn't give up. I had no income or clients, but we reached that level. Then I did some marketing for myself. Marketing helps people to know more and people value you.
Speaker 1:I told Volkova by the way, dear friends, if you don't know Aleksandra Volkova, she has a very cool event in't give up. I was with her for a long time. I didn't understand her problems. I felt it. I understood how to build a business, but I didn't understand a lot because she is also a woman. Women have different emotions. Like a man, a man wants information right away. I sat and listened to her and I'm glad. I'm glad that I met her, I'm glad that she did what she did, because I also think, wow, there are a lot of women here, women who have lived here for a long time, who could do the same. She also said that some Russians do the same, but they don't reach that level. But she tries, she wants to go to that level. I see her vision.
Speaker 1:I remember I posted a blog for journalists. She supported me. She said, saska, I think it's cool. Many of you don't do it, but you do it Because sometimes you can push, touch a tree and people see who did it first and they think, aha, if I did it, then I can do it too. Sometimes people need to give something to the breath. Many bloggers do a great work, help their community, and so the information comes. But what I want to say for the successful and people who did not give up, these are people who had a mission, had a vision, had an idea. I want it to look like this. I'm going there. Sometimes you come to that idea you have already made this idea and then you think, aha, how better to do it, because it's valuable. People value you for what you have done. People do not value you for what you said. It is not valued. Well, maybe when you do some content there maybe you are a blogger or a podcaster you already have big ones.
Speaker 2:But it's also work.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's work. The word is already work. Yes, yes, I was so interested in her, and the same with you. Before this broadcast. We didn't have a microphone and you told a lot about your life. I wanted to listen to it. Let our listeners and viewers listen. Tanya your life in Ukraine, from Ukraine to the UK, and then we'll start talking about empowerment for women, Because I think it's such an important topic that is worth listening to.
Speaker 2:I agree, before I came to the UK, I was a teacher of English and I studied at the Poltava Ped Institute at that time and my specialization was a teacher of English and Ukrainian literature. I worked at Mashivsky Middle School this is my school, where I studied, where my mother worked. So you can imagine when you first become a student and then you come as a colleague and then your mother works in several classes. It was not easy, but it made me who.
Speaker 1:I am now.
Speaker 2:And then I was offered a place as a teacher of English at the University of Poltava and I came with my sister to Great Britain to improve my English, to improve my level and to come back. But fate ordered me as it ordered me and I stayed in Great Britain. I met my husband and he offered me to marry and I'm very glad, glad that I said yes now because he is the strongest, the most intelligent and the most patient person in my life. And, having already stayed in the UK, I had a choice what to do next. After I stayed in the UK, I had a choice. What to do next.
Speaker 2:The choice was, as you know, always wide, especially in London. Everything depends on desire and money. I had a desire to be someone, but not a teacher, because in the UK a teacher is a slightly different profession and a different respect well, maybe a different salary and so on. And so my sister said let's be a lawyer. I said no, sveta, maybe you'll be a lawyer. Sveta doesn't give up. Sveta is quiet, waiting for Tanya to be remembered again. By the way, I thank Sveta for what Sveta did to Tanya. Thank you so much, sveta, for what Sveta did for Tanya. I submitted my documents and I was accepted to the conversion course. It's a transition from one higher education to another and because my basic was English, I was able to go further and I finished it at Westminster University. The choice was big in the university but since I was already married, had a child, I was looking for something that would be convenient, not the most popular in the category, and so I graduated from Westminster University first.
Speaker 2:Then I did an LPC course, which is a legal practice course, which is also mandatory for lawyers, and after that I found a training contract as an aspirant. Two years have to be passed Now the rules are changing, but at that time it was so I started working as a part-time trainee solicitor In the company where I worked for 15 years. I was accepted as a part-time trainee solicitor. Well, let's say it's a surprise. In this company, which I am very grateful for my experience, for love, support and understanding, I was given the opportunity to qualify as a lawyer to establish immigration departments. They didn't have an immigration department. I came and said here's another Ukrainian, let's try. They said go. I said no, let's talk. Look, here are the pros, here are the cons, here are the risks. I've already done it. Look here are the pros, here are the cons, here are the risks here. I've already done it, let's try it.
Speaker 2:And we started. They believed me, they allowed me, and my department grew quite well, quite successfully, and became, let's say, a significant part of the legal firm. Meanwhile I was offered to be a partner and then I was offered to be an equity partner, a co-owner of the company. Again, I did not invest a penny in the development of my career. Well, except for training. This is all work results, not giving up. And of course there should be results I didn't bring little money to the company and to myself.
Speaker 1:Well, how Tell me, please, a little bit about the fact that you had clients from the east of Europe who came, came and said you can do this for us, and so on. Were there such moments?
Speaker 2:There were, of course, when you are engaged in immigration, and not only when you are a lawyer. Many lawyers think and that's what I was told at the beginning of my career well, that's it. You will have to dance to the client's song. What does the client want the lawyer does? I said no, no, no. The first education was in teaching. I will teach my clients how to do it right. And so I did what you said.
Speaker 2:There were clients who came and said yes, thank you, you explained the rules to us. We understood them. Now tell us how to bypass these rules. And I told them go back to your country, because there you may have violated the rules or you are used to violating these rules here. When you came, you should not violate these rules because you needed it here. Why are you here, I asked. Because you needed it here. Why are you here, I asked? They say stability, understanding, security, understanding of the future, the next step for our children. I say here and let's live according to the rules, so that everything you wanted was in you and your children.
Speaker 2:Many of the great people, let's say great businessmen, heard me, respected me, and there was was one moment when, many years later, as we had already made the immigration route and already having British citizenship, a man addressed me and said Tanya, thank you very much, because for the first time in our meeting you said such specific words that I heard. You didn't say them to me before. There were many difficult situations in my life after that when I stopped and said, what if Tanya said it? What if Tanya did it? If she didn't do it, what if she did? And it helped me a lot. It was very pleasant and interesting for me. But I think it's not Tanya Tanya, but it's a kind of conscience, honesty, the correctness of the choice, and it's nice.
Speaker 1:Tanya, I want to ask you a question. You worked for a British company, right? Yes, how did you find people in Ukraine or in the West, in the East of Europe, interesting?
Speaker 2:I worked a lot. I maybe won't be afraid to say from my height now, that many people told me that we don't even know which company you work for. We know, tanya. Tanya Laidlaw is already a certain brand, whether I want it or not. How did we find people? There are many directions. If you do your job well, people recommend you as a quality and reliable person, person and professional. So a lot of clients are those who came to me after asking me one question or I worked with them, with companies, with someone, and I a lot of, let's say, performed, but not for a very wide audience. More specifically, all clients almost I would say 95% that I had for my career in the previous company. I led the company. That is not through the company but through my work, through my professionalism, through positive results that I had in my work In this way.
Speaker 2:More than four months ago, almost five months ago, I left the previous company. It was not an easy decision but it was organic. I grew up there a lot and I understood that something was wrong with me, but I didn't understand what, and that's how life sometimes works. It whispers to you Tanya, you have to do this, you're like ta-ha. Then it says, tanya, you have to do this, you're like ta-ha, and then it gives you. Such a kick, that's it. And then it gives you such a backstabber.
Speaker 2:That that's it. And in this situation I'm terribly grateful to God and the company. I'm terribly grateful that the circumstances have turned out like this, that I was able to take a long but very quality pause in my career in order to start again, but not with that Tanya, but with a new Tanya, with a new platform, with a new understanding, with a new feeling. Now I work in a legal firm as a partner and consultant for immigration. The legal firm W Legal supports me, understands me. It's very easy for me to work with them. They are colleagues, people of my level. And what am I talking about?
Speaker 2:I had a career in Ukraine, a certain profession. I came here and changed it. I had a certain career here. At a certain stage I was ready to leave everything. I had not everything, but a lot that I had built in order to move to the next level and build something else organic, clean, more what corresponds to what my soul says, more what Ukrainians want. I don't say that the conditions dictated to conditions, but when you are in a partnership, you still have to. I don't say play by certain rules, but a certain structure, a certain face of the think. Freely do what I do, and I think this shows a good example. Don't be afraid to start over, because every end is a new beginning.
Speaker 1:I wanted to ask you what qualities did you get from what you didn't get and what you became successful with? What qualities did you have? What qualities did you get from such a woman as you have now? What qualities you had, what qualities supported you to be the woman you are now?
Speaker 2:I think that I had a good example my parents. I think that what they put in me. Even now, my mother says oh, what did we give you? I tell my mother mother, you gave the most important thing, you gave me life. And now you, I say to my mom mom, you gave me the most important thing, you gave me life. And now, the more I talk to my mom, the more I understand how much strength and wisdom and wisdom I have from my mom. And for a long time I thought that it was only my dad. By the way, my dad is no longer there more than four and a half years. But my dad graduated from school with a gold medal, graduated from the university with a red diploma, was just a super specialist in his field of architecture and construction. He knew the whole district and perhaps part of the region. I thought, hey, maybe I'm a dad because I also graduated with a red gold medal and a good success.
Speaker 2:But, the more I communicate with my mother, I understand that I have a lot of my mother's. What qualities? Those that were laid down. They didn't even understand Honesty. My father had the opportunity the whole country could steal. My father had the opportunity the whole country could steal. My father never stole and there were no castles, tombs, but he gave me love, warmth, understanding and me faith in me.
Speaker 2:My mother, being a teacher, said Tanya, rewrite this task because there is a little problem. She taught me not to pretend that I wrote a little bit, but let it be. I read it like this, but let it be. This is what I didn't like in childhood. Maybe do better, do it again. It gave me later positive results terrible. Don't pretend Forward positive results. Don't give up. Go ahead and don't make conclusions.
Speaker 2:At some point here, something didn't work out, I'm not successful. It means that what I did, either I did it wrong or I didn't have to do it. What does it give me? I'm the same woman as everyone else. I have moments when I think, damn, I'm bad, and my mom and my professional and my wife and my daughter and everything. But these thoughts they're normal. When they're in normal volume and this is partly for other women. It's normal to think that I'm not super in something because it's a force of force to say, no wait, get up and be super, not to prove it to someone, but to yourself.
Speaker 2:I met Yulia Spravska yesterday and we had a very nice conversation and it was at this moment that we also talked about why we do something and it is important. Success. We need it not to make people say, oh, well done, applaud, but it's a certain closure of some page. To go further. Everyone loves it when they are praised, but people still love it when they are praised for the deed, when the truth is really well done.
Speaker 2:Quality I loved it when I was praised and now I used to like the quality when I was praised and now I like to praise. It's also the quality that made me not give up. I started praising myself. Go, tanya, you did this, you did that. Here are your results. Go ahead, people who are around me. Thank you, yulia for yesterday, for today, for Ale, for Alexander Volkov for the second half. We had a very nice conversation. Thank you to people who do something and do it well. That is what qualities Not to give up, to go forward, not to listen to bad comments to listen to constructive comments, those that will help to do something better and understand that life is one To go back and relive something. To redo something is not possible.
Speaker 1:You raised such a question for me gratitude. I think we also have a question for me Gratitude. I think we have a lot of. You know, before this broadcast, you said, sashko, look what you have already done with your team well for our organization, networkua, and also even podcasts. You know, I started as a blogger, then I did interviews with Ukrainians and then I became a podcaster I invite now, and there were different Ukrainians and now there are successful Ukrainians.
Speaker 1:I think that sometimes Ukrainians not only Ukrainians, but also nationalities, but our Ukrainian dator I think that sometimes we don't think about what we have already done. I think we always think what will happen next, what will happen next, let's do it, but we don't think about what we did. I think that what you did, we did. You need to be grateful for it and to be grateful to those people who to be successful. You can. I recommend it. It helps to be an expert in your profession or to have your own business, or you can try to make a content, but you do it through people. You can't do it yourself.
Speaker 2:You can't do everything yourself. You have to trust people. Another quality why is it successful? I did a lot of things myself. I will do this and that because I know better. I understood that I lose but not receive. And when I trust people and give them some work or some part of the work, and people are grateful that I trusted them and they are conscientious about it and have good results, and after that I thank them for the work, not just I pay the salary, but I also thank them, and this gives me the opportunity to concentrate on what I do and love and to grow, both for me and for the people around me. This is what you do, sasha.
Speaker 1:You know, Tanya, I had a lot of guests who said that Ukrainians who have just arrived have such mentality that they do their great job, open businesses, but they have a mentality that they like to have micromanagement. Is that true or not?
Speaker 2:I don't mean only Ukrainians, but also successful Ukrainians. I say that those who don't do anything, they don't need it. They sit and comment on what we do wrong and successful people have this responsibility. They need to control everything to have a positive result. Why Sometimes you choose people and the person is not the same person and you are under pressure and you think, hey, if I check it again, it will be better, but it is exhausting. It is terribly exhausting. If this person works with you and she is not yours, the sooner you let her go you will not throw her out. You will let her go and look for her and fill the place with the right person the less you will lose your strength and your time.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree. Okay, Tanya, let's move on to such an important topic that you wanted to tell us it's empowerment. I don't know how it will be in Ukrainian. Is it to inspire women?
Speaker 2:I think it's cooperation and mutual respect for women. Why women? I don't divide people into women and men, but it also happened that in many cases, women take on themselves more than they can or need to take to pull or than they need to take. During my successful career, I met a lot of women successful women who at some stage paid, didn't pay, gave, sacrificed something, either with family life or with relationships, for example, with a husband or, for example, with relationships with friends lost them because there was more concentration and I am very pleased that I realized that with my example and support either professional or some advice from an older woman I helped a lot, and it's not just me, they help me, I help them.
Speaker 2:One of the most successful examples of a successful woman is Tanya Nekorovich. Tanya Nekorovich is a very successful lawyer in the UK who deals with real estate in the convention buying and selling real estate. Tanya came to me a long time ago for a consultation of real estate in the convention Purchase and sale of real estate. Tanya came to me a long time ago for consultation. Then I was looking for an assistant. Tanya came. I could help. Tanya came to me in the firm. I said what are you doing after lunch. Nothing, can you help me? After that I went and said I want to take Tanya to work. Tanya came with an assistant, finished law and Tanya became a partner in our company Second Ukrainian in one company.
Speaker 2:Tanya is a successful mother. Tanya is a successful lawyer. Tanya is a super-successful daughter.
Speaker 2:Because I was with Tanya a few days ago and saw her mother, who was grateful. She is a superovskaya girlfriend and she is a strong woman. I said to her thank you for being in my life and she said to me thank you. You talk to her and you understand the depth, the professionalism, the desire not to give up, not to look at anything. I will pass any wall and I tell her don't go through. The person helped as many women as she could, including me, and she helps and she doesn't give up. So what I want to say is that there are women who are confident in themselves, who are strong, who move forward but sometimes they don't look at the sides that there are still such strong, smart, beautiful women with whom you can walk together, because it seems that only I know and only I can. I encourage women not to fight, to talk to each other and to help, but to remember that you cannot lead. If you already go and help, then don't help. Do as you said.
Speaker 2:If it's a mistake, you can say oh sorry I joked yesterday, but I see in this great progress, both for Ukrainians here and for Ukrainians in general, and already by example for Ukrainians Support and understanding, don't general, and already as an example for Ukrainians Support and understanding. Don't look, oh, she has unpolished nails or she is without high-quality shoes today, but look at what this person has in her, what is positive in her, what is good in her and how I can help her. This is the case in Great Britain, but I want to remind Ukrainians that this is the most valuable. V nej harno I, jak ja možu jí dopomohty Takei je I v Velikobretanii, ale Ukraїnkam hoču nagadati що це najcinnіше Odna syla. Це harno a dví syly tri syly piat syl pfu.
Speaker 1:Tak no rozmijete, ale це тоже, jak vy skazali, syla baťo ljud. But how to coordinate it too, because you have an idea how to do something interesting and how to control it. Not control, but how to make this idea become not yours but ours. I'll tell you how.
Speaker 2:It can't be done artificially. It should be done organically. Your platform, which you have created, is ideal for, let's say, showing certain ideas and encouraging and uniting women and men with a certain view of the world, finances, understanding and desire for the end result. You, un Network, are very cool. I see behind you. Well, may it not be a monopoly, but you will be the first in the list of those where to find information for Ukrainians, about Ukrainians, and not only, and British people and so on, to speak, to communicate.
Speaker 2:I say now they hear me. I am sure that someone will have a certain idea when I speak and they will hear it there. I well, besides the fact that the lawyer, yaryna Carpenter, at some stage told me Tanya, lawyer, lawyer, you are a mentor, you want it or not, but you are the one who inspires. Besides, yaryna Carpenter told me at some stage Tanya, you are a lawyer, you are a mentor, whether you want it or not, you are the one who inspires. You are the sun, you are the light, whether you want it or not. You are not hiding yourself. That's why I say I speak with Alexandra Volkova, we talk about her, I say this, this, this. She says yes. We speak with Tanya. She says, yes, they tell me something. That is, these ideas, developments, everything they exist, they develop, they are organic. There cannot be any single idea about organization, because each one goes his own way and everything, like the world, constantly changes. You need to remember who you are, not to pretend to love and praise yourself, and to love and praise those who deserve it.
Speaker 1:I know Yaryna Kapenter. She was the founder, olya Tanya, and this is a very good idea, very, very good idea. When we started, we started as an Oles group and then as Networkua. I visited all the organizations that support Ukraine. I went to all the telegrams. I took this information because I thought this information would be useful. I met Yaryna. Yaryna invited me to her event events among the most popular ones. I also said come to. She said Sashko, come on, people want to come themselves. I said, well, let them wait. Sometimes you call people they sayanya. Then Yaryna started this. It's a very good idea because women well, I don't know much about women, I was just married, but women also need support. Women are also business, as we know. You told Tanya then the legal sphere was men, men dominants.
Speaker 2:And now there is. And now there is. Maybe there will be women in numbers, but in terms of control it's still men.
Speaker 1:And you said empowerment, giving women more opportunities to develop, not just Ukrainians. Is there the same problem in Britain? Empowerment for women Is there the same problem in Britain?
Speaker 2:Empowerment for women. Here it's much better. I think there's room for improvement, there's something better. During my time in Great Britain, during these 25 years, a lot has changed For the benefit of women, for the support of women, but sometimes it's a scale. It's those women again, the fact that women are growing up a lot. Sometimes we humiliate men. I'm for organic development, but for women to remember that they can.
Speaker 1:You say the word can. Why can? Because there is such a mentality that they can't.
Speaker 2:They can't Women. It happens that women are still mothers and women are born and women with children often sit and to break up and be a businesswoman and a mother and a woman is very difficult. My husband told me, tanya, so it's four professions. How can you do all this? Well and cover it? Hello, this is unrealistic when I say they can, when a mother with a child says, well, I can't because I'm not worth it. And when you tell her when a baby went to kindergarten, for example, for three days, and you can do it from home, for example, one, two, three and here's what you need for this, or here's what you can do, and a person starts to whistle and think this is generally how cool it is. Remind women what they can do, show an example of what they can do and support when there is some desire and a start.
Speaker 1:Do you now meet such people in?
Speaker 2:England, in Ukraine I meet such people every day really.
Speaker 1:What they don't have. Maybe they are already successful people.
Speaker 2:There is no knowledge. As you said, there is no knowledge. There is no example. Someone who talks about a successful business but doesn't have a successful business these are empty words. Someone who talks about a good family but doesn't have a family these are empty words. Someone who talks about a career and money but doesn't have a career and money these are empty words. I have a career, a family, children, a grandson and money.
Speaker 1:And how do you hold it all? Because you also said for balance.
Speaker 2:Don't run. When I ran and came home at 9, I opened the door and the man who prepared the dinner said children, don't come to mom for another 20 minutes. Let mom calm down and then she won't yell at you. And then I realized I don't have the right to come at 9. These children, I won't go back and I thank my husband for supporting me. Not everything is done this way After the pandemic. The pandemic showed that you can work from home, that you can work efficiently. You don't have to get up at 6, run to the 7th in the crowded metro and come back home at 8 or 9, completely exhausted. You can work efficiently for 2-3 hours a day and have a much better result. What I say is don't do like others. Don't run like somewhere else. Look for what suits you, somewhere part-time, somewhere full-time. Who is without a family and who needs such an environment, such communication and so on? Now everything is open. Everything is there. We just need desire and help.
Speaker 1:Yes, because you said for the balance, not only women, but also men.
Speaker 2:Men, of course.
Speaker 1:But I think men have a lot of. I don't know. Maybe it's difficult, maybe because a man always wants to achieve something, a mission. As you said, a woman has to have children, give birth to a child. What a big problem it is in Ukraine. Now, maybe I don't know how it is done in Ukraine Pay gap too. There is a pay gap, and also how to treat women at work, how to treat people. There is also a problem. We know that there is racism. There are political problems. I don't know how it is done in Ukraine because I don't live there, but it is there. And now many of my fellow Ukrainians have already called me and said Sashko, these problems are being worked on. I didn't know that these problems were being worked on. I said well, unfortunately, you will know more. I know many Ukrainians who came here, who know English, who went to a good market and want to enter a big market, but they can't Because they are Ukrainians.
Speaker 2:Look, with Ukrainians, you need to remember again when you are even asked are you Ukrainians? According to which scheme you are, it's not because you are a second-rate, but because the employer who takes you to work I was an employer, I know what to do you have to be very careful because there is no discrimination. But when a person has a limited visa period and you take her to teach her, to invest in her, then you wonder should I take it or not? And this is not bad and this is not good. This is a fact. I am not talking about women and men, I am talking about Ukrainians. This should be taken into account and you just have to be ready for it. You can try to explain why you are valuable and more valuable in the short term and in the long term, but this is when you are interviewing with owners and when you are interviewing with IHs who put tick-boxes, then here, well, I will not say without right, but more competition. Again, from my own experience and from the experience of a person who hired me to work, be yourself. If you write an ideal CV and are not a professional at all, well, you're a fool. You're wasting your time and your work If you can't do a super interview. Well, again, it's a waste of time. After half a year, you will tearing your hair off and saying, damn, I'm not where I wanted to be. Think about what you want and what you want and what your goal is.
Speaker 2:When I was ready to go look for another company where I would join, I talked to Svitlana, a psychologist who is just great. She told me why do you work? I talked to Svitlana, a psychologist who is just great, and she told me why do you work? We never think why. Because we need to. We need to run somewhere, we need to be somewhere, we need something. She says this question is very important because understanding why you will be able to design and choose the right place and the right focus. If you want to work for money, then don't be afraid that you don't like it. If you want to work for your own development as a person, then look for such a place. Don't compromise. It's not like well, okay, I meet this guy. He's not tall, he's short, he doesn't make money. Well, maybe I'll change him. No, go to work, understand. If you don't like this salary and there are no chances of growth, then don't go. After three months, oh, they don't give me an increase in salary Because you saw you bought.
Speaker 1:Tanya, I want to say one more thing. You said that you have to have a wife here. Where are women here In the UK? In the UK and London, find support to support them in business or even when they want to be successful Ukrainians here, mentors. Are there any events or seminars?
Speaker 2:I see now that there are more and more different events, different seminars. I would even say that the market is already filling up with them, and this right away when it's 1-2,. It's interesting when too much you can't handle it and you start thinking, well, maybe not, I won't, because too much is not healthy.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, you need to look at your platform. You are a great fellow, what you do, and this week will be like this. I have never visited your platform, seen some events and I went to them and I was very grateful to you because I didn't know about them. So I see you as the main platform where all events, cultural or political, will be held with time which will be held in Great Britain, not only in England and London. There are many. There is the Ukrainian Institute. There is the Ukrainian Institute which organizes. There is the embassy which organizes. There is the same UA in the UK community which organizes.
Speaker 2:There are many interesting speakers, many different directions, many online courses. What do I need? I need successful women to talk to, to share their stories. This is one direction. I need a mentor who would take me by the hand, explain and lead me further. This is another. I need a mother. I live in Satun with my little children. Who else can go to the playground? This is the third. There are many groups that spontaneously organized themselves locally. There are Ukrainians in Richmond. There is an organization that is very cool, as far as I can see.
Speaker 1:Ukrainian Social Club right. Yes, alina Lutsen has it right.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm in contact with Maria, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:There, there, there, in Satana, the coolest group and I'm just fascinated by Natalia in the first place, who came out, organized and continues to lead. Many girls came, joined and also great professionals and Yana and Bogd joined and also great professionals, both Yana and Bohdan and others, but it is In Essex. I know there is a group and so on. These groups exist but they are not united. There are advantages to unite them and there are disadvantages to unite them.
Speaker 2:The advantages to unite, so, as you say, what is happening will be access to information. The disadvantages are that this personality is lost, this access, for example, to some small event that is there in the city. It makes sense to predict only there. If Oleg Skrypka came to the restaurant, then it's interesting for everyone and they can listen and come from all over. But some local events, they will be like this. That is again answering your question. I believe that your platform today has everything to give the opportunity to all organizers in London, in England and from Ukraine who come here and announce report about their, whether it is free, whether it is for some payment. But I think they are rational because of you.
Speaker 1:Well, tanya, thank you for such a response. I will show this video to our team. On our platform, everything can be thrown for free. We have everything for free. Announcements for free, announcements for free. But we only have advertising. You want more audience, pay for advertising and you put yourself on the topic, and it's not so right because you need to damage it all.
Speaker 1:A couple of days ago, I posted a small post on social media where one man put a fridge on the street and put a face on it. He said it's free. No one stole it. No one took it for three days. On the fourth day he came, took the plate and put $50. On the same day, he was stolen from that pensioner.
Speaker 1:Why, when something is worthless, people don't really value it. And that's true. As soon as you put something at a price, people value it, because even if something costs a pound, I expect something from that pound. And this is very important, because there are many clients who come. Even those who live there want a lot for free. I also used to be in that place. Sometimes I wanted something for free when I had no money. But when you pay, you value it, and you also need to understand what you pay for, because sometimes when you buy something you think it doesn't cost 10 pounds. It doesn't cost 20 pounds, but you paid, that's it. That means that their marketing would have had a very good impact on you. Maybe your friends told you.
Speaker 2:I agree with you and I often have one question and then we talk with a person for half an hour. It's the devaluation. And then we talk to a person for half an hour. This is a devaluation of the person you are talking to and devaluation of their professionalism. People think, oh, I got it for free. No, they stole it from themselves.
Speaker 2:Because the whole world works like this when you value someone, someone values you. The whole world works like this when you value someone, someone values you, there is a certain amount of information time which I can spend with a person, explain and give some consultation, some advice. There is a certain amount of this. When it goes into, let's say, certain frames, then I say let's go further and make our relations. If this person makes relations and we go further, this person respects me. If this person says and another question, I say goodbye, it's not that this is not my person, I am not her lawyer. The same is with you. Your platform makes free of charge until a certain time, at a certain time.
Speaker 2:Так само у вас, ваша платформа робе безкоштовна до певного часу. На певному часу, ваша платформа повинна переходить на коштовну. Ты сходил в поведомление. Ты маешь якусь частину заплатить. Так все працює. Для того, чтобы вы жили и могли развивать, вам потребно не только лайки, а вам потребны гроши И гроши не. You need not only likes, but you need money, and money not only through advertising, but also from those who use it, and so it's a normal process. It's a healthy process of moving to the next stage of development and of bringing people to themselves. First of all.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Tanya your friends asked a question. I read it yesterday. A question for you Were you interested in clients?
Speaker 2:I had interesting clients throughout my work. I had very famous people, very interesting professionals and people, as I say, left. I remember. I will say maybe three very short situations. First, my contact was given to one man. He called me and said can I come to talk to you? He came to my office and he started talking and he said do you know who I am, with such a pathos that I should fall into it and be scared of his greatness? I say you know. I don't know who you are, but I'm sure you know who I am because you found me, came to me and asked for my advice. He heard me and then the conversation between the client and the professional began. There was another interesting situation when people were directed to me professional. Another interesting situation was when people were directed to me. We were sitting and talking and a man says you are the fifth lawyer to whom I address. I say okay, why the fifth? He says well, those gave me advice and that's it. I say yes.
Speaker 2:The first question did you pay all lawyers? I paid for the consultation. I say well then I have two options. Either you collect consultations you simply have nothing to do, there is nowhere to put money or you are looking for the right answer and you have not yet been given it. Do you understand? There is no right answer. Each lawyer will tell you here are the rules and here I advise this and here I do not advise this. But if you ask five times, think about what the matter is. We talked to him further, he went with me and we closed this question. But he understood that not to look to gather thoughts but to solve the question is necessary.
Speaker 1:Our daughter. I heard this quote. When people ask you a question, you can say what kind of man, what kind of person.
Speaker 2:Of course I agree with you.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's move on Successful stories.
Speaker 2:A lot, but in many cases they are very personal. Immigration is very, very personal, and so I'm very careful about history, because if someone heard somewhere and London is a big city, and Ukraine is also a big city because someone knows someone and says, ah, I understand everything.
Speaker 1:So I'm very careful about successful stories.
Speaker 2:Extraordinary achievements Perhaps the fact that I came here without having legal education, without having. By the way, I came here I had 100 pounds in my pocket, 100 pounds.
Speaker 1:I hear from many Ukrain who come here and say I had 100 pounds, 200 dollars, 300 dollars. I say, why dollars? Well, sashko, then they gave me a record. What was it? People from them 300 dollars. It's very interesting a lot of things they do here, even have their own businesses. They have a lot of investments.
Speaker 2:My achievement, I will say, is that I am now on your podcast.
Speaker 1:Thank you, it's very nice to hear.
Speaker 2:This is achievement.
Speaker 1:Have you ever been on a podcast?
Speaker 2:I had interviews, I had recordings of my speeches on YouTube and so on, with the previous company, but the podcast is still there.
Speaker 1:But not with Ukrainians yet no. That's the first, but not the last. Let's move on. How is it to be an equity partner?
Speaker 2:It's a big, big headache. This is a lot of money for which you have to answer. For me it was hard Because I love it like this. I did it, I got it. When you are equity, people work for you and you get a dividend. I was uncomfortable, but this is the highest that a food chain can. Be A co-owner of a big, profitable legal firm is cool but very difficult. I was the only woman equity partner in the firm.
Speaker 2:And, of course, the only woman equity partner in the company and, of course, the only Ukrainian. Tanya Nikorovych was another Ukrainian, but she left the company earlier.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being here and thank you for doing this, and thank you to those people who gave you the opportunity to compare yourself to them. How is it to be a woman in a profession where men dominate?
Speaker 2:It's not easy either, because women can be more open and more emotional. Men are more reserved and sometimes it's they think is difficult or impossible. And what can I say? It's harder for women in the male sphere, but it's possible. How it can be? It's difficult, but it's cool.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, I know that women can read a lot. You have body language. You can speak a lot of body language. You can speak a lot better than a man. We need to learn it, and you we don't need to learn it. Let us know it, and you we don't need to learn it, we need to learn it. In which projects did you participate?
Speaker 2:I was invited to perform at English Law Day in Kiev. This was before the pandemic In 2019, I was invited. I was one of the performers. I was very pleased that I came from the British side as a lawyer to the Ukrainian one and I spoke both Ukrainian and English and I think there was a certain impact.
Speaker 1:How do you support women now?
Speaker 2:I will be honest. I support them both morally and financially where I can and where I need to, and professionally where they can and where they need to be. And professionally. That is one of the cases when at the beginning of the war well, maybe not at the beginning, but in the summer a woman calls and says Tanya, someone from Ukraine, someone somehow gave me your contact and I would like, if you can help me to get a visa. And we sit and do it and she says God, how can I repay you? I say no way. Pray that my mom's back doesn't hurt, and that's it. And we left, that is. I believe that support is in everything In me. It is every day. Somewhere she said a good word, somewhere she supported someone with a penny, somewhere she inspired me myself with my example, and so on.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Tania. Next question how to become and be a successful and independent woman.
Speaker 2:What is success?
Speaker 1:It all depends on the person how she sees it.
Speaker 2:To answer such a question, first you need to determine what success is, but it all depends on the person, how they see it. To succeed and go to your success with calm, small steps. How to be independent Don't compromise your conscience. This is not about money.
Speaker 1:Thank you. What exactly are you ready to plan and do for women who are looking for support and a mentor?
Speaker 2:I am alone. I cannot help everyone, and I did this for myself very clearly at some stage for myself, when I realized that I was burning. I can speak on certain platforms, like this podcast. I can be a participant or a speaker at certain levels, but only when it is called to my heart, when I understand that I am giving something. I don't put a checkmark, but where I give. I don't know what else I will do this year, but I feel that there are still a lot of valuable events for me and for people this year where I can give more. Thank you.
Speaker 1:How do you support Ukraine or Ukrainians now?
Speaker 2:Again, I listen to myself. This may be a call from my friend who is now on the front line with some questions or with someone just to talk. It can be a money transfer In Mashivka there is a lot of fundraising and I again ask not to talk about it later but it can be through Western Union, some kind of translation. It can be somewhere on a legal issue some moments, but it's what my soul says and where it goes, but this help is constant.
Speaker 1:How to make the world better.
Speaker 2:To be yourself and not to be afraid. If everyone is themselves and everyone is not afraid, the number of negativity in the world will decrease. People who make bad comments they are afraid, that's why they do it, and so on. The world will be better.
Speaker 1:I wanted to show you. Yesterday, when I was preparing for my podcast, I read from Miles Mundro. He is an African pastor, also a motivational speaker, and he said the most expensive place in the world is not the gold mines in South America or oil fields in Iraq or Iran. It's not diamonds mining in South Africa or the World Bank. The most expensive place on the planet is right behind the corner. It's a treasure. There are buried companies that were not created, finds that were not made, not done without a trailer, who were not. Well, he said, like a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1:As you said, a lot of people are afraid to do what they want to do because there are all kinds of problems. I know I talked to my guys at work. I said why don't you do what you want to do? And a lot of people are afraid of having mortgages, having children because there are no qualifications. But there are a lot of people who have come to the university. But a lot of things keep us going.
Speaker 1:I have also been through a lot of things for many years. I didn't know that I could make such podcasts, that I could be with you, that you could appreciate me as a person, as a person whom I serve. Everything and it all starts with one step. It all starts with one thought, and it's very important when you take these steps not to give up. It also depends on a lot depends on the person. You said that your mother gave you confidence in yourself. When you have confidence, it's what keeps you going. I think a lot of people keep it in themselves. I was very much supported by myself. Many people told me Sashko, you are marketing, you can do selling, go do it. But I didn't believe. Father, I have a family here.
Speaker 1:There are many Ukrainians who live here, just like me. There are many Ukrainians who are Anglo-Ukrainians like me. They could also make a platform. They could also make podcasts. They could also meet successful Ukrainians like you. You can speak Ukrainian, you can speak English, it doesn't matter. Maybe they do it, I don't know. Yesterday I sent Volkov and Alina Zalewska. She is also a blogger who was on the podcast. They asked me Sashko, please send me all the bloggers. You know I looked at the whole market because I'm not just engaged in the portal. I need to know who is engaged in such content. What can we do in collaboration? Because it's interesting, and what I wanted to say is that, yes, it's true there are a lot of people in this world and we don't with the British, but I also see this from Ukrainians. A lot of things keep Ukrainians back because we are already abroad, we live in another country, but Britain also gives you opportunities. They don't look at your color or the woman or the man. There are problems here. We understand that, but look how interesting it is. I understand that, but look how interesting it is. I take on my podcast now.
Speaker 1:Successful Ukrainians Successful depends on you how you see successful. I look at myself. But, tanya, you came to the United States at that time. Was it difficult? It was not difficult, but look how you grew up, became an equity partner in the company, kept these skills qualification from my parents so that my parents could learn. But you're Ukrainian. I came from Ukraine and you're still abroad. Being a successful Ukrainian in Ukraine is one thing. I don't know. How life is done there, I can't judge. But to come to another country and become someone here I even watched yesterday one American said yesterday I watched a little curiosity as you watch Ukrainian content how it can be. Immigrants come from other countries to America and they open here, become professionals, open businesses, make scenes for the community, develop themselves. Why can't the former Americans in the middle class unable to do it? Why do they live such a wonderful life? Why do they not have it? Why, because there is no fire.
Speaker 1:There is no fire. Many Ukrainians who have just arrived want to have fire and I want to say that many of you. I was also taught to be a fireman. Many of my friends taught me to be strict to be good-looking. I'm wearing a suit now doing podcasts. Back then I was always skinny, and when you come to a meeting I remember I was skinny people looked at you differently, and when you enter the suit, people are also different and you feel good too. I feel that people react to me differently.
Speaker 1:Content is also very important. It depends on who you are working with, but in general, I want to say, dear Ukrainians, don't be afraid, there are already professionals here. When I started working under the platform, I realized that I cannot take Ukrainians who were giving advice from Ukraine, because they are in Ukraine. They do not know the laws here. I need to look for Ukrainians, lawyers from this country. I understand that there are many Ukrainians living here like me, and I'm a PR guy for Ukrainians who live in Ukraine. This is my audience. When I grew up here, I didn't have a community. Maybe that's why we created this portal for Ukrainians, such as a big social network, because when we were growing up in this country we didn't have a community. I remember when I met him at work Tanya, I came to work because he was already working there and people said he is Ukrainian. We had a reaction. He said what another Ukrainian will come to you? It was interesting, it was like that and now it's common.
Speaker 2:Another Ukrainian.
Speaker 1:I remember. Now I usually go to the streets with Ukrainians. I always say Glory to Ukraine, good afternoon. My name is Sasha. What's your name? Get to know each other, that's all Well, now it's a bit of a fall, but then it wasn't like that at all. You know, back then, when you were Ukrainian, you were really something. And where did you come from? Some contacts immediately changed. It was great, it was wow. But the main thing I wanted to say is that don't be afraid to be Ukrainian, move forward. There is a lot of support here, like Tanya, there are experts. You can easily find them on our platform. You can find a lot of people, you can find social networks. You can find podcasts.
Speaker 2:If you are professionals, then come to Sasha and register and cooperate, because there is a demand and there is a satisfaction of that demand.
Speaker 1:Yes, on our platform we allow it.
Speaker 2:As for the steps, I can say there are people who want to do something. They are divided into two types those who say what they want and all their life say what they want, and those who say what they want and do. Those who say what they want and do not. Those who say what they want and do not do. You will never wake them up. That is when you say why doesn't someone do it? Because he has such a road, everyone can't. When I talked to my older daughter, I said well, lena, well, everyone needs to grow up in a punished mother. Someone can be a lawyer, a partner, and someone can be a cashier in Tesco and let it be. She doesn't need to grow up as a lawyer. I understood that everyone in this life has a place. That is what we are saying now. Those who say and want to do, we tell them they can do it. Those who say they don't want to do it, it's okay. Be a cashier in Tesco, we don't tell everyone to do it.
Speaker 1:I think it's about value. What do you value in life? What is the secret of your endless energy?
Speaker 2:I think there is no secret. I think that I was born like that. That's how it happened to me. And when I completely blow myself away, I will say an analogy. Which analogy that describes me? I see myself as a well with water. When the well is filled with water, it needs to be drained so that fresh water comes. That is when I do not give advice, good help. Water stops when I drink all the water and it's empty, dry. It's also wrong. So my energy is not to reuse and not to leave it in myself.
Speaker 1:Very good analysis. What helps you be successful in work? A wonderful wife and just a happy person.
Speaker 2:It may sound banal, but love, Love for the people I work with, Love for my children, for my husband, Love for what you do, what is positive. It helps me to go. The negative thing doesn't bring me down. I try not to carry the negative. It's not easy. I am also a person and someone can step on my foot and I will think, damn. And one thing my sister told me recently a small story.
Speaker 2:A man loved to meditate. He sits in a boat, in a canoe, and swims. He closes his eyes and meditates, takes a breath and that's it Once he swims like that and something knocks him. But someone else who swam knocked him. He came out of his dzena and was ready to go, but he saw that it was an empty boat that hit him. That is, it was not what happened, but his reaction, so he was not in that boat. That is when a person reacts to something negatively. It is a question of that person to himself what made him angry, angry, and so on. If this person is angry, angry, angry's a question of that person to himself what annoyed him, made him angry, and so on. If this person says there really was nothing, People are tired, people are sick and that's why they react like that. But if you're tired and rested, then you won't react to the same situation.
Speaker 1:That's my approach in life. And lastly, I want to add that when people write, I see some other content where there is different content. I have already reached the point where I think I have to answer. So that I can answer what emotions do I have now which I want to write down? Now I ask myself, because when people write down, they think with emotions, not logic. I already think, aha, what emotions some hater wrote to me. What emotions will I write down? And then I think what will happen next? What will be the answer? No, I'd rather not do it. It's wrong to keep silent. You need to answer something. I write in a neutral way so people understand. There are people who watch you, watch you how you will react. It's also interesting. There are people who watch.
Speaker 2:There are people who feed on this negativity you shouldn't forget. Often people who offend or humiliate do it to say someone on your background.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's me. Give us three main qualities that will help people to be successful in their career.
Speaker 2:I will say three First, to work. Second, not to give up. And third, to celebrate your defeats exactly as you celebrate your achievements.
Speaker 1:Thank you. In your opinion, a happy person is who and how to become like that.
Speaker 2:A happy person is the one who wakes up in the morning and says thank God, the whole world and everyone that I am alive. There are hands, there are legs, there is a place to go, there is someone to smile at. How to become one? Remember about it.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's already important. Is there something that you have changed in yourself? Do you believe that all your qualities helped you to be who you are now, and how do you act in this?
Speaker 2:When I was younger and now I'm 49, I'll be 50 in the end of April when I was younger, I thought that if I changed this or did this, it might be better or in another way. And then I realized that every step I took in life, I did it to go where I am now my husband. I was a friend in Ukraine. Then I divorced and came here. My husband said this man who is now a grant, he said I am grateful to your previous husband that he divorced you because he gave me the opportunity to find you and you. That is any negative which was, or any steps. They give the opportunity to move on to the next step. I would not change anything in myself, Not the fact that I am perfect, but the fact that I am the way I am. And so I advise everyone else not to change something in yourself but to accept yourself, to love and to rejoice what inspires you Other people, I can be inspired by songs.
Speaker 2:For example, I don't know, I love Valboia very much and his songs and his music, his style and so on. Now I love Parfenyuk, I really love listening to music, and Hrystyna Solovia is interesting to me, and so on. Music inspires, people inspire, nature inspires a lot and maybe sometimes my dog inspires me.
Speaker 1:What did you want to do more in your life Time Time? What are your main principles in life?
Speaker 2:Honesty. This is probably the most important principle. And this is not a big one, not not just a big oh, I'm an honest person. There are different moral criteria. We talked about this with my husband. For someone, it's normal to steal something morally Because it's normal. For someone, it's normal to kill about honesty in front of myself, in my moral. Again, when the doors are closed, no one sees.
Speaker 1:It's true integrity. Yes, it's very difficult to my friends about this.
Speaker 2:They told me that my credo and I agreed with them is that there are no problems. There is a situation that can always be solved.
Speaker 1:What motivates you to act?
Speaker 2:The desire for results. When I do something and I don't see where I'm going and what I'm doing, at some stage I get lost. But then I sit down and say Tanya, where are you going, what are you doing? This helps me focus and motivates me.
Speaker 1:What would you like to say to all those who have lost faith and do not see how and where to go next? Sorry for my Ukrainian when I read it.
Speaker 2:No, it's all right. What would I like to say to those who have lost faith? Look back. There were many difficult situations in everyone's life, but not all of them have passed. How fast it will pass depends on the person himself.
Speaker 1:Tanya, I want to ask you one last question what advice would you give to Ukrainians who are now on the territory of the Great Britain? And you will move forward, tanya, I want to ask you one last question what advice would you give to Ukrainians who are now on the territory of the Great Britain?
Speaker 2:This is a very broad question, but I will say what comes to mind now to tell people Remember the good of this country. Don't look for one or two negative comments that were made about Ukrainians, about Ukraine, about the war and so on. Remember that your life is not on pause, that you are now living your life. Those who are with children remember that your stress is read and remembered by your children. Your fear affects you, your children and the environment. If you parents, children, ukraine, are important to you, look for faith, stand up, do something for yourself, for your children, for Ukraine, and don't feel sorry and don't do negative things to each other and other people. Everything will come back.
Speaker 1:Tanya, thank you very much for being our guest today on the Koza Talks podcast. We are now doing a podcast on Sterling Law. Thank you for such advice for your story, for your success in Ukraine, in Great Britain. How can people contact you? Do you have any advice? How do you cooperate? Where are you now? What social media do you use?
Speaker 2:I think the best way to find me is through my company, W Legal. There is my phone number, there is my email address and I think if Sashko can and wants, he will also do it. I'm also on LinkedIn. You can find me, you can follow me. There I show myself as a person, as a professional, and share certain advice and information. I would say two main channels this is my company and LinkedIn. I'm on Facebook, but there I'm private, my more private life.
Speaker 1:I understand. Thank you again, tanya, for today's podcast, and I want to say the last words that I always say on my podcast it's dear Ukrainians, hold on, don't give up, just move forward. Glory to Ukraine.
Speaker 2:Glory to heroes.
